Some thoughts on Illegals

[Dghs48]

From the Arizona Republic:



Mexico abuzz about SB 1070, braces for wave of deportees
by Chris Hawley - Jul. 24, 2010 12:00 AM
Republic Mexico City Bureau .
MEXICO CITY - From migrants to TV comedians, academics to charity workers, Mexico is abuzz over Arizona's new immigration law as the country prepares for a possible influx of deportees.

Migrant shelters along the border say they're bracing for new arrivals after the law goes into effect on Thursday. The Mexican Consulate in Phoenix has added more workers to assist detained nationals. And migrants who have already been deported said they're watching carefully to see how the law is enforced before deciding whether to cross the border into Arizona again.


"On the plane, everybody was talking about the law," said Ernesto González, a deportee who arrived in Mexico City on Wednesday night on a U.S. government flight from Tucson. "Everybody knows it's coming."

Arizona's SB 1070 makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally. It allows local police, during a lawful stop, to check a person's immigration status if they have reasonable cause to suspect he or she is in the country illegally. Citizens also can sue their police departments if they feel the new law is not being enforced.

The U.S. government and several civil-rights groups are challenging the law in court. The Mexican government has filed a "friend of the court" brief supporting them.

In Nogales, Sonora, the state shelter for migrant children has added 50 beds to the 100 it already has to be ready for a possible wave of deportees, Director Maria Isabel Arvizu said. The San Juan Bosco shelter in Nogales also is expecting more migrants, Director Francisco Loureiro said.
"All of us are getting ready for people to come back," Arvizu said.

The Mexican Foreign Ministry said Friday that it would not comment on preparations for the law while the court challenges are ongoing. But El Universal newspaper reported that the consulate in Phoenix has increased its consular-protection staff from eight to 11 and has begun distributing pamphlets informing immigrants about the law.

Mexico's ambassador to the United States and the assistant foreign minister for U.S. affairs met with consular officials in Phoenix earlier this month to plan for the new law, the newspaper said.

Across Mexico, radio talk shows, blogs and the news media have turned Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer into a household name.

On Friday, a morning show on Televisa aired a comedy skit in which an actor dressed as Brewer rampages through Mexico City with a stun gun, zapping people. The country's newspapers have been printing daily articles about the court battles surrounding SB 1070.

Academics are paying attention to the Arizona law and similar proposals in other U.S. states, said Victor Manuel Sánchez, a researcher at the Latin American Faculty of Social Sciences, a graduate school in Mexico City.

"It's going to have an effect on the ways people migrate," Sánchez said.

The Mexican government has also made changes to its own immigration laws amid criticism in the wake of SB 1070's passage. Amnesty International and Mexico's National Human Rights Commission accused Mexico of not doing enough to stop abuses of Central Americans there.

On July 2, the government expanded a temporary-visa program to include agricultural, construction and service workers.

It also increased the punishment for migrant smugglers, known as coyotes or polleros, from a maximum 12 years in prison to 16, and it permitted even harsher punishments if migrants are mistreated.

This week, the Mexican Interior Ministry promised to redouble efforts to protect migrants in response to a report by the United Nations that accused police of robbing and extorting migrants, among other abuses.

But the government has not removed a controversial clause, known as Article 67, that requires Mexican authorities to check the immigration papers of all foreigners who come to them for help.

Human-rights groups have likened that clause to Arizona's SB 1070 and say it has encouraged crime by making migrants afraid to talk to police.

A bill removing the requirement has been stuck in the Mexican Senate for months. Lawmakers are expected to vote on it soon after they return from vacation on Sept. 1, said Rogelio Alemán, a Senate spokesman.

As they disembarked from a deportation flight at the Mexico City airport, some migrants said the risk of being punished as criminals under the Arizona law was making them think twice about trying to enter Arizona again.

"I think people are going to think harder about it and decide not to risk it because it's scary to think that you'll be tried as a criminal and they'll want to put you in jail," said Francisco Juárez, who jumped a border fence into Arizona on Tuesday and was caught minutes later by the Border Patrol.

Others, however, said nothing would stop them from crossing.

"My wife is up there. My whole life is up there," said Efrén de la Paz, 34. "Of course I'm going to try again."

Sergio Solache contributed to this article. Reach the reporter at chris.hawley@arizonarepublic.com.



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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_arizona_immigration

The judge also delayed parts of the law that required immigrants to carry their papers at all times, and made it illegal for undocumented workers to solicit employment in public places — a move aimed at day laborers. In addition, the judge blocked officers from making warrantless arrests of suspected illegal immigrants.

Yeah for the 4th!!! We needed that! The 4th is far more important than the 2nd. Unless they continue to strike down the 4th, then we will need guns to protect us from government.

The irony is that it is the big gun nuts of Arizona that want this law. What hypocrites! They want the 2nd (they claim it gives individuals the rights to bear arms rather than the state) , but not the 4th!!!

Yeah. The courts got ONE right right!

[Dghs48]

There will be appeals of course.

[HumanRights]

Yes, but aren't you happy that the 4th is supported?

Don't you think that the right to bear arms (which may be more part the ninth than the 2nd) and the 4th should both be supported.

Don't you think that the 9th is THE MOST IMPORTANT amendment?

[Dghs48]

What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Left America?

Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column ----led "Mexican Visitor's Lament." She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez who asked, "They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...what happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

That's a good question - it deserves an answer. Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers may surprise you!

In California - if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupted hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English would become the dominate language again.

In Colorado - 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids would move back "home" mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 BIL) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, *****s and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop out/flunk out rate via thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado. Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned "home" the U.S. economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 billion in IRS income taxes collected annually and an equal amount for local state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must content with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country. In L.A. 20,000 members of the "18th Street Gang" would vanish from our nation. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to their home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy - which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.

At least 400,000 anchor ----es would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupted out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.

[Dghs48]

The constitution is a package and all amendments are important.

[HumanRights]

The 9th amendment protects all the unenumerated rights, like the right to breath, eat, get married, have children and own property (including the gun nuts blessed gun).

The 9th is #1.

[Dghs48]

Any doubt about "O's" objective???????


.Agency weighs skirting Congress on immigration


By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer Julie Hirschfeld Davis, Associated Press Writer – 4 mins ago
WASHINGTON – The Obama administration, unable to push an immigration overhaul through Congress, is considering ways it could go around lawmakers to allow undocumented immigrants to stay in the United States, according to an agency memo.

The internal draft written by officials at U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services outlines ways that the government could provide "relief" to illegal immigrants — including delaying deportation for some, perhaps indefinitely, or granting green cards to others — in the absence of legislation revamping the system.

It's emerging as chances fade in this election year for a measure President Barack Obama favors to put the nation's estimated 12 million undocumented immigrants on a path to legal status, and as debate rages over an Arizona law targeting people suspected of being in the country illegally.

The 11-page internal memo, written in April to the agency's director, says: "This memorandum offers administrative relief options to promote family unity, foster economic growth, achieve significant process improvements and reduce the threat of removal for certain individuals present in the United States without authorization."

It goes on: "In the absence of comprehensive immigration reform, USCIS can extend benefits and/or protections to many individuals or groups."

The memo provoked a backlash by Republicans who called it evidence that Obama is looking for ways of relaxing immigration policies without political consensus to enact a new law.

"The document provides an additional basis for our concerns that the administration will go to great lengths to circumvent Congress and unilaterally execute a backdoor amnesty plan," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who obtained and circulated the memo. "The problem remains that if you reward illegality, you get more of it."

Grassley led a group of conservative GOP senators who wrote to Obama in June asking him to promise that the administration wouldn't use its authority to "change the current position of a large group of illegal aliens already in the United States."

The Iowan's staff said the group has not received a response.

"Now we find out the truth: while saying one thing to the public, the Obama administration is scheming to ensure that immigration laws are not enforced," said Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, the top Republican on the House Judiciary Committee.

Christopher Bentley, a spokesman for the agency, said the internal document "should not be equated with official action or policy," and represented only "deliberation and exchange of ideas."

"We continue to maintain that comprehensive bipartisan legislation, coupled with smart, effective enforcement, is the only solution to our nation's immigration challenges," he said in a statement.

Still, the memo makes clear that even without such a bill, immigration officials have identified a variety of ways to relax U.S. policy to allow more undocumented immigrants who might otherwise face deportation to stay in the country. Among the options outlined is expanding the use of "deferred action" — in which the government can use its discretion to halt a deportation indefinitely, usually for an urgent humanitarian reason.

"While it is theoretically possible to grant deferred action to an unrestricted number of unlawfully present individuals, doing so would likely be controversial, not to mention expensive," the memo says. Instead, officials suggest using the option for certain groups, such as tens of thousands of high school graduates who have been brought up in the U.S. and plan to attend college or serve in the armed forces.

Democrats and Republicans have repeatedly tried to push through legislation — known as the "Dream Act" — to cover those students.

"To be clear," Bentley said, the government "will not grant deferred action or humanitarian parole to the nation's entire illegal immigrant population."

Another option included in the document is to allow more illegal immigrants to receive "parole-in-place" status. This would let them stay in the United States while they seek legal status.

The document discusses applying both those options to spouses of active duty military personnel, for instance.

It also suggests expanding the definition of "extreme hardship" for exceptions in immigration cases — a prospect that alarmed critics who said it could lower the bar so virtually any undocumented person could meet it.

And the memo suggests allowing people who entered the United States illegally and were granted so-called "Temporary Protected Status" because of a crisis in their home countries to stay and get permanent legal residency.

The memo notes that this would be a change in long-standing policy, and says, "Opening this pathway will help thousands of applicants obtain lawful permanent residence without having to leave the U.S."

Some proponents of revamping the immigration system said the document simply points out ways the agency can fix old and outdated practices that separate families and hurt workers and employers.

Writing on the Immigration Policy Center's blog, Director Mary Giovagnoli, a former immigration official, said, "Good for you, USCIS, for trying to do what it can within that broken system."

[HumanRights]

The NWO (New World Order) selects all political candidates for BOTH parties. That way there won't be sudden changes in policy.

In other words, we have a puppet government.

Democracy is only a pacifier for us babies.

There is considerable truth to the NWO myth as the CFR, the Trilateral commission, the Bohemian Grove members and other groups of the rich and powerful consist of members of BOTH parties. Presidents always belong to one of these groups.

[Dghs48]

HR: I'm guessing you forgot to have your fruit cocktail today.

[HumanRights]

Dghs48: I'm reading a book that is a history of conspiracies.

Notice that free trade (a liberal idea) is supported by conservatives and NOT discussed (not since Perot ran). Instead, big issues like gay marriages get discussed during elections. Really, how many gay marriages are there? Smoke, all smoke.

[Dghs48]

Gay marriage is not smoke to many people.

[Dghs48]

President Obama, Shamelessly and Hypocritically Lying. Again.

Posted by Lori Ziganto (Profile)

Sunday, August 1st at 7:00PM EDT


President Obama gave an interview to CBS on Sunday, wherein he attempted to explain his stance against Arizona’s SB 1070 Immigration bill. Still no word on whether or not he’s actually read the bill yet, but based on his inane murmurings, I’d have to go with No. But, to be fair, during the interview he did display a few things that he does quite well: shameless lying and absolute hypocrisy. You see, President Obama had the utter gall to say that we shouldn’t demagogue nor politicize a national problem like immigration reform. No, really. My jaw dropped too and I thought to myself “could he possibly be that shameless?” Apparently, yes:

In a CBS interview broadcast Sunday, President Obama slammed approaches to immigration reform he said “demagogue” a “national problem.”

He also defended progress in the administration’s suit against Arizona’s SB 1070 immigration law — an action that states that the controversial measure flouts the federal government’s imperative under the ’supremacy’ clause of the constitution.

Does the Smartest Man Alive ™ not know the meaning of the word demagogue? He is the Demagoguer In Chief, for goodness sake. And the entire Democrat party falls in demagogue-y lockstep right behind him. Incessant race card playing? Fear mongering? Sound familiar, President? That comes from you and your fellow Democrats who brand anyone who merely disagrees with you on policy - ever- as racist. You also use demagoguing in tandem with fear to politicize every issue and further your own agendas. Remember what you said about the law when first passed, Mr. President? You tried to tell people that they’d be scooped up and whisked away, for no reason whatsoever, when out getting ice cream with their children.

You allowed a foreign leader to demagogue, denigrate and demonize Arizona from our house floor. Democrats not only allowed it, they applauded it and gave Calderon sycophantic, grand-standing ovations. Once again proving they stand up for anything but America. And it was/is Democrats who are actually wearing demagogue jewelry in the form of Arizona bashing bracelets. It is Democrats, including you, Mr. President, who have made fear mongering hyperbole almost an art form. You demagogue to the point of Godwinning yourselves constantly. Plus, you know, the outright lying as contained in this statement made during your interview today:

“What we can’t do is allow a patchwork of 50 different states, or cities or localities, where anybody wants to make a name for themselves suddenly says, ‘I’m going to be anti-immigrant, and I’m going to try to see if I can solve the problem ourself.’”

No one is anti-immigrant. That is an outright lie. There is a difference between legal immigration and illegal immigration. You sniff haughtily, in your usual holier than thou manner, about icky people “politicizing” issues. Meanwhile, you actually lie in order to politicize. For a Harvard graduate, you don’t have a great grasp of words nor their meaning.

This epitomizes why there truly is no having a dialogue with the left. Intellectual honesty isn’t their strong suit. Of course, this wouldn’t even be an issue if the federal government was doing its job — its primary job, in my opinion — and protecting our borders, not leaving states to resort to trying to do it themselves with far more limited resources. And then suing said States, all while gleefully demonizing them - for passing a law necessitated by the fact that the federal government themselves refused to act - and then feigning righteous indignation over “politicizing” and “demagoguery”.

Before preaching to everyone else, I suggest you learn the meaning of the words and the accusations that you toss about willy nilly. I also suggest Hypocrite, Heal Thyself

[Pragmaticone]

Lori speaks the truth about Obama's constant lies and hypocricy. And the gullible Obama supporters lap it up and defend it.

[HumanRights]

Gay marriage is not smoke to many people.

I can't believe that the small percentage of people that are gay would out vote the liberals and conservatives that want to reserve the name marriage to bisexual unions. Are politicians so stupid that they try to reduce all types of marriage agreements down to one name?

There must be a Hammurabi Code that describes what to do with such people.

Lori speaks the truth about Obama's constant lies and hypocrisy. And the gullible Obama supporters lap it up and defend it.

Opinions without fact are either lies or votes. I vote that Obama doesn't lie continually and is not a hypocrite.